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    Posted: 05 May 2011 at 4:03pm
I drove half an hour and once we got home he slept half an hour. He has always been a s*itty sleeper. But we were getting there, even started sleeping through on and off there for awhile. Then he got sick. Has had a cold and cough for weeks, has an ear infection, and his sleeping has gone to the s*it. He used to go down fine but wake up in the night. Now he screams before bed. Before you even put him in his bed. Then he started screaming before his nap too. If I can get him to sleep (rocking, patting, shhing, feeding), he will sleep 3/4 of an hour, but he needs MORE. He is waking numerous times in the night screaming, and I have even gone back to b/fing at night cause it is often the only thing that puts him back to sleep. He is on pamol and nurofen everyday but to be honest I don't think they are doing anything. The Dr says he "shouldn't" be in that much pain, cause the ear infection "isn't that bad" and that his sleep problems are now "behavioural".

So today I drove up and down the motorway in desperation and he fought sleep so hard, even though he was quite obviously exhausted. It was like newborn days again. I was driving eating my cold toasted sandwich (that had been interrupted), wondering how we had gotten to this place AGAIN. Wondering if he will EVER sleep like he is "supposed to". Whether *I* will ever get a real run of decent sleep ALL in a row.

On top of that stress, hubby and I have been arguing about what to do. He wants to "get tough", last night leaving him to cry on for an hour. Made me sick to my stomach. And didn't work. Then we had a blow up about it because I fed him to sleep just so we could eat and go to bed.

When he woke at midnight, I got angry. Angry because he insisted on being picked up, angry because he fell asleep on my shoulder, but the minute I moved, went to sit down, went to put him in his bed, would wake and scream the house down. Angry at myself for letting it get to me and not being more tolerant.

I feel like the worst mum in the world today. I suck at this.
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Oh 1st_Time_Preggies you poor thing, I dont have any miracle advice but didn't want to read and run. Sending huge hugs

I don't know what you've tried already but have you tried those plunket rooms where you spend the day and they give you advice? Is there someone that can take him for a few hours so you can take a break?

And you definitely don't suck at this, you are doing everything you can to help your baby and he's extremely lucky to have you.


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Originally posted by 1st_Time_Preggies 1st_Time_Preggies wrote:


When he woke at midnight, I got angry. Angry because he insisted on being picked up, angry because he fell asleep on my shoulder, but the minute I moved, went to sit down, went to put him in his bed, would wake and scream the house down. Angry at myself for letting it get to me and not being more tolerant.

I feel like the worst mum in the world today. I suck at this.


Oh honey! I've so been there (heck, some days I still AM there).

You are doing a splendid job, and I wish I had something to offer but I don't really. I'm sure anything I can suggest you've already tried.

Does co-sleeping help? A few ladies in my december 09 group have a single bed in beside their bub's bed/cot and sleep in their room with them when they are miserable. It's not a perfect solution, but it gets us all better sleep. When I do it, my sleep is interrupted more often, cos I get woken by every little grizzle, but DD'll often go back to sleep quicker because I can reassure her before she wakes right up.

It's a long hard road, this over-the-top sleep deprivation, isn't it? Hang in there chick, you can do this
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Ok, just re-read your comment about the ear infection; that was a huge part of our problem too. Here's my advice - get a new doctor, or DEMAND a referral to the ear/nose/throat specialist. I kept getting fobbed off the same way that you are for 5 months, before I changed tack. Previously I'd been going to the doctor after a really awful night in the hope that they'd have the best chance of finding something, but it meant I was showing up exhausted and already beaten before the fight had even begun (on a bad night in our house, we'd have 3 hours of screaming, then 7 minutes of sleep, and then another 3 hours of screaming...). So I made an appointment in advance, rather than taking a rushed same-day appointment which are shorter at our clinic. And I made sure I was mentally prepared to demand the referal and to explain exactly what was going on - ie. the screaming when laying down, being inconsolable so many times (it wasn't a ploy to get me with her, cos being there didn't seem to help), the waking up if she so much as turned her head. I also got DH to take a video of her on a bad night(PM me your email if you want to see it for comparison) and was going to show them that if need be. Anyway, I got the referal, DD got grommets and she changed instantly from miserable and in pain to comfortable and happy.

Yes, she still has some behavioural sleep issues - after a year of miserable painful sleep, i'm not surprised! But what changed instanty was how easy it became to get her to sleep (half an hour instead of 2+) and she went peacefully without all the screaming. And then she slept for a full sleep cycle (about 2 hours for a baby) before she needed resettling again. A quick feed, then straight back to bed. Once that was all it was, we've been able to make HUGE progress - she's not perfect by any means, but compared to where we were its amazing! If you can't get anywhere, I still think you've got a pain issue.

Anyway, after that giant ramble, I wanted to say that I'm thinking of you. I've SO felt the desperation and exhaustion and wondering where-on-earth-next feeling that you seem to have right now. If I could, I'd come over right now and give you a full nights sleep and some moral support
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I just wanted to add in my support, I had tears reading your post! I have been there, I am there, it sucks so bad. What gets me through is the smiles and kisses I get from DD during the day.
DD also wakes up after 45 mins during the day and needs more, sometimes if I put her in my arms and pat ehr back to sleep (and lay there with her) she will sleep for another 45 mins, but she wont do it by herself.
I just got interrupted with DD waking... I lost it, how do you keep going? she just screams and screams, she wont feed to sleep anymore, but she wont settle herself either?! Im pulling my hair out
Anyway if you ever want to rant, Im here!! xx


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oh i really feel for you . my dd was like that , she would wake 8-10times every single night and would only go back to sleep if i breastfed or rocked her back to sleep . The best thing i ever did was the sleepsense programme (she was about one when i did it )  i have it in ebook form if you want me to email it to you , just pm me your email address , it goes into alsorts of sleep issues and different ages and what to do at what age ,it was not easy but in the end it worked wonders and dd now sleeps 12hours uninterupted every night and it is bliss. its better for her as she is no longer cranky all the time and it is better for me as i was getting very sleep deprived and really starting to go a bit crazy with lack of sleep and stress. Im a much happier person now that i am sleeping properly .

 its hard to tell weather hes not sleeping because of the ear infection or if it is behavioural. if you have your doubts i would see another dr and maybe get some more testing done . Hugs to you , iv been there and its very very hard.

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Been there and done that too and STILL going through it. Sometimes I wonder what I did wrong in the early days ???

Will he sleep in a pram at all?
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Yup I have been there too, spending hours walking up and down the lounge while DD snoozed on my shoulder but woke up every single damn time I put her down and screamed the house down. I used to get really angry too, especially when she wanted to be picked up in the middle of the night, or when I thought she was asleep and would try and sneak out of her room and she would sit up and scream. Its not easy I don't know what to say except something that something said to me when I was going through it "this too shall pass". It won't last for ever and you will get through it. Someone also told me that challenging/difficult kids get given to the parents who are strong enough to handle them. Think of how strong and resiliant this is making you. You will get through it
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Just wanted to add one more thing - I know it wasn't the original point of this thread, but man it makes me feel better to know I'm not the only one who loses it sometimes and gets mad at their baby for waking them up AGAIN! It really does make you feel like the meanest, worst mum out, but from what I know of you other posters, you are all lovely mums. So maybe I'm not so bad afterall

I hope it's at least had that effect for you 1st-time, and the rest of you too.

Sending you massive hugs too Emmi, let me know if I can do anything
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As soon as I read your post I thought "Go see a specialist" The little girl I looked after was exactly the same, her Mum paid for a specialist, which wasn't that much surprisingly. The specialist was then going to put her on the public waiting list, paying to see the specialist cut that waiting time, except when he saw her he said she needed to be done now, he wanted to operate in 2 days time! Luckily her mum was there & could pay for the op.

BUT definitely get a second opinion.
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Oh hun GBH, its hard I imagine. I got tough with DD I had to I'm not patient enough to be soft but you know what as much as it sucks at the time it makes it worthwhile having a toddler that sings herself to sleep quite happily and even if she is awake for an hour or so after bedtime she is quiet and content and resting!

We get about 11hrs - 12hrs most nights rare that she wakes at night. Sometimes when we go to check on her she's awake but happily lets us walk in and out. Just tonight I got her up cos she's quite warm and we put her down after mum fed her icecream and five mins of cuddles and she's quiet no fuss.

If you do get tough you really do need to stick with it. They work themselves up into such a state and if you go in after an hour and cuddle them its just confusing and unfair on them you've let them work themselves up so much then all of a sudden your there cuddling.


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I so know what your saying too. DS will only sleep if I co-sleep with him, but even then he wakes at least 6-8 times a night and often wriggles, grizzles and cries out in between. Day sleeps he'll only sleep for 30-45mins at a time and wake up really upset and obviously still tired, But despite my best efforts, won't go back to sleep.

I am so glad to hear I'm not the only one who gets angry, as hard as it is to admit it, and as terrible as I feel for it. I've started getting a sore jaw from all the teeth clenching of late
 
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Hi there, I just wanted to send big hugs your way

As the others say I hope you can get a second opinion about the ear infection and get that pain under control.

It sounds like you are doing a great job and your DS is so lucky to have you. If he has managed to do good sleeps in the past I'm sure he will get back to that place again. My DS is a sh*te sleeper too, but sometimes sleeps all night long so I put it down to teething etc. I find getting out in the buggy during the day a saviour as it gets me some fresh air and exercise and is good stress relief, while he gets some sleep.

I ended up with PND when my DS was 2 months old and I can recommend seeing a councellor, a Dr for medication if you need it, multivitamins to keep your b-vitamin levels up, exercise, that book by John Kirwan etc. Sleep deprivation suxs alright and I think it can definately lead to PND.

My DH and I have also argued about leaving our DS to CIO. I just don't have the heart to do it. Some friends of ours have recently done it with their DS, worked wonders for awhile but they are back to waking in the night again so it's not a magic solution for every one I guess. I think if you do go down that road you need to have a plan of attack and not just do it on the spur of the moment, and be REALLY consistent.

I just try to take one day at a time and live in hope that things will get easier. I really hope that things get better for you and your family.

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Oh yes, me again, haha. AandCsmum's comment made me remember - we paid to see a private specialist and it was $85 or something. I would have paid ten times that just to get some sleep!

We were going to pay for the op too (it was $1500) but he said he'd put her on the waiting list as urgent and it wouldn't be any quicker to go private. So all up it cost us $85 to get her feeling better. Best money I've ever spent!!
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There's a sleep clinic on Hamilton that takes Babies and Toddlers. My Plunket nurse says that they sent a chornic case there for help and it was really good. Can you ask for a referral or more information about what they offer?

Sickness really takes it out of them, after a horrible tummy bug and two seizures my DD was "off" for two weeks. Grumpy, short naps and early waking. It wasn't nice, poor wee thing.

I'm sure you can self refer to ear etc specialists and probably to a behavioural one too.
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THANK YOU SO MUCH LADIES! You have all made me feel SO much better, about myself as much as him. I am going to look into going to a ENT specialist. I figure even if they say he is okay, at least I can say I have had him checked out.

You are all wonderful
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